Golden Fool said:
Legion said:
I've noticed something interesting about this challenge -- it's changed the way I play. The early game is much more important now, and therefore so are the perks. My starting spread was 4 Perception (+1 with the skill book because I always forget about the Concoed bobblehead), 8 Endurance, 10 Intelligence, 5 Agility. My first perk was Nerd Rage. Second was Rilfeman, third was Cannibal. Survivability, damage output, and health management. I've never taken Nerd Rage before this challenge, and generally speaking, I work my way up to those top tier perks, focusing first on crafting and damage output. I also accidentally put a perk into Gun Nut that I intended for Science. It's been a while since I've used an energy weapon...anyway, just felt like sharing.
In all of my survival playthroughs I've found that early on the damage perks are almost a waste, since with the multipliers given by Survival Mode most weapons you find early on are able to kill pretty much every low level enemy with only a couple of hits. My current character is level 15 and has no points in rifleman or gun nut and I don't plan to for awhile. Instead I've been focusing on other perks like scrounger, adamantium skeleton, strong back, aquagirl and anything else that helps mitigate some of the challenges added by Survival Mode.
Yeah, that makes sense! I find that in the early game, when the 10mm pistol and pipe weapons that use .38 ammo are abundant, Raiders take up to 3 shots to kill. My rationale for taking those perks is:
-Raiders have 30 health
-The 10mm pistol has 18 base damage: a two-shot kill in center mass, one-shot kill to the head
-Add a powerful receiver with Gun Nut 1: 28 damage, still a two shot kill
-Gunslinger 1 + Powerful Reciever: +20% damage = 33.6 damage. Rounding down, that's still a 1-shot kill against basic Raiders, and a two shot kill against Raider Scum (45 health) who would take 3 shots otherwise.
So by level 3, I've increased my survivability by reducing the shots to kill on the two main enemy types I'll be facing in the northern half of the map. These numbers are of course skewed in game by armor and damage resistance, so I find that I'm often 4-shotting enemies to begin with and move down to 3. But this is why I find Rifleman so very useful. By level 9, if I've taken Gun Nut 1 and two Rifleman perks, I've reduced my shots-to-kill by 1 and ignore 15% of armor (which may or may not make any difference at all, I don't actually know). So, yeah, I may be perking for overkill and redundancy. But to my mind, anything that makes me offensively more effective is essential. I can always run and hide, I can always use cover effectively and manage my inventory intelligently, but I can never become more deadly than my opponents until I perk those.
[blockquote][b][url=/profile/GoldenFool]Golden Fool[/url] said:[/b]
[blockquote][b][url=/profile/Legion]Legion[/url] said:[/b]
I've noticed something interesting about this challenge -- it's changed the way I play. The early game is much more important now, and therefore so are the perks. My starting spread was 4 Perception (+1 with the skill book because I always forget about the Concoed bobblehead), 8 Endurance, 10 Intelligence, 5 Agility. My first perk was Nerd Rage. Second was Rilfeman, third was Cannibal. Survivability, damage output, and health management. I've never taken Nerd Rage before this challenge, and generally speaking, I work my way up to those top tier perks, focusing first on crafting and damage output. I also accidentally put a perk into Gun Nut that I intended for Science. It's been a while since I've used an energy weapon...anyway, just felt like sharing.
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In all of my survival playthroughs I've found that early on the damage perks are almost a waste, since with the multipliers given by Survival Mode most weapons you find early on are able to kill pretty much every low level enemy with only a couple of hits. My current character is level 15 and has no points in rifleman or gun nut and I don't plan to for awhile. Instead I've been focusing on other perks like scrounger, adamantium skeleton, strong back, aquagirl and anything else that helps mitigate some of the challenges added by Survival Mode.
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Yeah, that makes sense! I find that in the early game, when the 10mm pistol and pipe weapons that use .38 ammo are abundant, Raiders take up to 3 shots to kill. My rationale for taking those perks is:
-Raiders have 30 health
-The 10mm pistol has 18 base damage: a two-shot kill in center mass, one-shot kill to the head
-Add a powerful receiver with Gun Nut 1: 28 damage, still a two shot kill
-Gunslinger 1 + Powerful Reciever: +20% damage = 33.6 damage. Rounding down, that's still a 1-shot kill against basic Raiders, and a two shot kill against Raider Scum (45 health) who would take 3 shots otherwise.
So by level 3, I've increased my survivability by reducing the shots to kill on the two main enemy types I'll be facing in the northern half of the map. These numbers are of course skewed in game by armor and damage resistance, so I find that I'm often 4-shotting enemies to begin with and move down to 3. But this is why I find Rifleman so very useful. By level 9, if I've taken Gun Nut 1 and two Rifleman perks, I've reduced my shots-to-kill by 1 and ignore 15% of armor (which may or may not make any difference at all, I don't actually know). So, yeah, I may be perking for overkill and redundancy. But to my mind, anything that makes me offensively more effective is essential. I can always run and hide, I can always use cover effectively and manage my inventory intelligently, but I can never become more deadly than my opponents until I perk those.
Name: Aly (fight me, I like A names)
