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  • September 24, 2017

    Ok, so im not exactly sure if this counts in the Lore section, but worth a shot. (also i dont know if this was already in here as i really wasnt feelng like scrolling through 500 message after spending quite a bit of time searching the Vault  for this anyways)

    So theoretically, if someone were to be experienting with a black soul gem could part of their magical esence (which i assume could possibly be taken with a part of the soul) be stored within the soul gem along with that soul fragment? This being based off the fact that you use Souls, which i would think contain ones magicka to enchant items. 

    Basically if a fragment of your soul was absorbed could it potentially weaken your magicka? and if so would this be a Permanent Effect on oneelf??

    I've also been looking around UESP for information on this and based my question off of the lore i found there

  • September 24, 2017

    FlamezSword said:

    Ok, so im not exactly sure if this counts in the Lore section, but worth a shot. (also i dont know if this was already in here as i really wasnt feelng like scrolling through 500 message after spending quite a bit of time searching the Vault  for this anyways)

    So theoretically, if someone were to be experienting with a black soul gem could part of their magical esence (which i assume could possibly be taken with a part of the soul) be stored within the soul gem along with that soul fragment? This being based off the fact that you use Souls, which i would think contain ones magicka to enchant items. 

    Basically if a fragment of your soul was absorbed could it potentially weaken your magicka? and if so would this be a Permanent Effect on oneelf??

    I've also been looking around UESP for information on this and based my question off of the lore i found there

    I think that that moment when you enter Soul Cairn while NOT being a vampire could yield the answer you´re looking for.

  • September 24, 2017

    Looks like I'll either be hopping on Skyrim tonight or searching up so lore about it, Thanks!

     

  • September 24, 2017

    FlamezSword said:

    Looks like I'll either be hopping on Skyrim tonight or searching up so lore about it, Thanks!

    Ah, sorry, I thought you´ll know precisely what I´m talking about. In order to enter Soul Cairn, Serana "traps" a small portion of your soul and sacrifices it to Ideal Masters so that you can enter. While in Soul Cairn, you´re weakened by your soul being "split". It´s not working outside of Soul Cairn, which is somewhat strange when you think about it, right? You can find your soul in Soul Cairn again. 

    So in theory, yes, it is possible to trap a fragment of a soul. Speaking of which there was a mention about your soul leaking into Soul Gems. It was...when the Soul Gem is bigger than the soul you´re trapping, then your own soul leakes into the Soul Gem. 

    Yes, here. Souls, Black and White 

    If the gem is not precisely the size of the encased soul, small bits of the caster's soul may leak into the gem when it is touched.

     

  • September 24, 2017

    Yes i looked into this last night, regarding the Black and White Souls, i saw the part about when dabbling with black soul gems its possible for a fragment of the users soul to also be trapped within the gem.

    Regarding the Soul Cairn situation it's been so long since I've played Skyrim that I'd forgotten the options of entering it. I did search it up after the first post you made however, and this was a great help, thanks Lorc 

  • October 5, 2017

    Greetings fellow scholars of the Vault. Recently due to the concept of a build I want to post I was looking into the various "schools of magic" in elder scrolls and especially the Old Way of magic like Mysticism. Conjuration and Mysticism / Alteration have always been my favorite so that research brought me upon the Witchcraft in the elder scrolls. I found a few things regarding Witches, Covens and Witchcraft but I would like to ask if anyone has any sources in mind mentioning anything about this subject in game books or external sources, anything that can be of help! Thanks!

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    October 5, 2017

    Ooooh, there's quite a bit of stuff, and the witches have different covens and beliefs. The Wyresses, for example, have a more earthly and wholesome magic and philosophy tied to Yffre. 

  • October 5, 2017

    Yeah there are so many things that I didn't even know where to look at but I feel like a kid that got a ton of new toys haha. :D 

    At the moment I 'm trying to find general knowledge and if possible a group of witches that are kinda neutral as far as witches go and follow the old ways mostly with Y'ffre, Kynareth, Magnus, Azura, Nocturnal (this one is tricky) and Mara  in an even way if that makes sense and not the whole Hircine, Molag Bal etc thing. 

    Edit: If I don't find one of the existing ones I 'll just make one up. :D 

  • October 5, 2017

    Duvain said:

     kinda neutral as far as witches go and follow the old ways mostly with Y'ffre, Kynareth, Magnus, Azura, Nocturnal (this one is tricky) and Mara  in an even way if that makes sense and not the whole Hircine, Molag Bal etc thing. 

    I think that this will make your search quite a difficult one. Jephre, Kynareth and Magnus ain´t exactly "witch friendly" gods. They´re Aedra, so you´ll get priests and treespeakers and mages, but certainly not witches when it comes to these. Now Azura and Nocturnal are more like it, Phil is working on Nocturnal article right now which relates to the witches.

    Phil also mentioned Wyresses and I think he specificaly refers to Beldama Wyrd which is actually a coven of witches - well, more like druids but females - who worship a strange mix of air, earth, water and Jephre. 

    Another worth mentioning is Glenmoril Wyrd, which has been always present in most TES games in some way, quite often dealing in some kind of way with vampirism or lycanthropy. 

    2920 mentions a Skeffington coven.

    Another thing to mention that the book Modern Heretics prescribes the word "coven" a meaning of "a community of Daedra worshippers", so this certainly points in the direction that witchcraft as you call it is very often associated with Daedra. 

    And because Schools of Magic are nothing more than a synthetic construct of categorizing spells so that they are easier to learn you can expect that these witches who follow the old ways - not the Old Way of Psijjics - most likely deviate from that construct and wield a more wild magic. More raw magic. Very often it can be magic associated with life force such as blood magic - which is a real thing in TES - or Daedric magic which can be learned from Daedra. 

     

  • October 5, 2017

    @The Lorc of Flowers - You nailed it, this is pretty much all I 've found up till now. I find 2920 very interesting since that witch is using spirits of the air which is Kynareth's domain and that is why I was hoping to find some witches with connections to the divines and yes witchcraft is associated with Deadra more often than not.

    Regarding magic their magic is ancient and it doesn't fit with the schools of magic which is just a synthetic construct as you said. It is raw magic and has more to do with the manipulation of elements rather than producing fire/frost etc and of course deadric magic. Actually from what I found Deadric, Deadric Summoning magic and elemental manipulation magic through powers given to them by rites that please the "gods / spirits" and such are their main forms of magic. Of course there are also those that practice other types like curses or blood magic and such an example could be the Glenmoril Wyrd you mentioned with hagravens and vampires among them.


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