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On a scale of One to Ten, how much do you hate the Thalmor?

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    May 17, 2017 2:01 AM EDT

    *switching to times new roman* 

    Probably a hundred. They're such b*tches, and honestly, Bethesda does such a good job of making me want to slit each and every one of their throats while they sleep then drag them on top of each other then burn them then burn them more. They're such nazis. 

    Anyway, the real reason for this topic, was yesterday, I was looking at RogueSilver's fantastic Black Phantom build, and i noticed he's made his own 'Hit List' I checked some other builds, and this seems to be pretty popular. What people do you always kill in Skyrim? If so, how do you kill them? Do you have rituals? Do you repeatedly burn their body while laughing maniacally, causing your roommate to kick you out and call the psychologist? Tell me!

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    May 17, 2017 2:58 PM EDT

    To answer the topic, I support the Thalmor so one would be my answer.

    Now, to answer you actually question the only person I really kill all the time is that guy in Whiterun who everybody kills, but my other targets have included the Jarls, Legion soldiers, Empire supports, Stormcloaks and their supports, the Companions for being Werewolves, and the Dark Brotherhood. I usually kill them in various methods from spells to shouts to simply stab stab stab. Only one character a ritual, in which when he killed dadrea worshippers, vampires, and such other creatures he would take all, but two gold from them.

    Also, seek help, because you may not be that innocent.

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    May 17, 2017 3:52 PM EDT

    Thanks for the shout out, GuiltyOrc InnocentKhajiit! 

    Pretty much everyone knows I hate the Thalmor as much as a human is possible to hate a faction in a video game. They're Nazis, in a nutshell, to be honest. It varies on how I go about killing Thalmor from character to character. Much opposite of the Phantom's style, my ranger only hits the leaders and doesn't really revel in their demise. Sure, he hates them, but he doesn't enjoy it. However, to roleplay as painting a warning to the other Elven bastards, I like to move the bodies in a deliberate manner into the road nearby; making it look like a wordless message. 

    I find this discussion far too enjoyable considering the subject of violence at hand. 

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    May 17, 2017 4:02 PM EDT

    4E Thalmor or 2E Thalmor?

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    May 17, 2017 4:03 PM EDT

    On a scale of 1-10, I'd probably give them about an 11. Damn Elves, meddling in other peoples business...

    As for NPCs I kill, it usually depends on the playthough, but rest assured that Nazeem and (Occasionally) Heimskr are pretty much the regulars. Olfrid would be on the list as well, if it weren't for his essential-ness. Honestly, it's as if Bethesda put all the annoying NPC's in one town!

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    May 17, 2017 4:22 PM EDT

    I do hate them a lot!

    They give poor Ciel'nn headaches, so they are sent to Sithis everytime he comes across them. If he had a companion (thathe likes a lot) who gets hurt by them, then there's an episode coming. He'd stab the leader relentlessly. Also, on a occasion some Imperials will die too.


    This post was edited by Caladran at May 17, 2017 4:25 PM EDT
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    May 17, 2017 4:32 PM EDT

    You know shits getting serious when you switch to Times New Roman.

    In all honesty I've don't really have a strong opinion on the Thalmor. Yes, persecuting people based on religious views is wrong, but for invaders they aren't that bad, especially when looking back at ES history. I mean hell, Ysgramor carved a war path through Skyrim when he rocked up, and the Snow Elves became the Falmer through even worse treatment than what Talos worshippers are facing in Skyrim.

    But just because you aren't Hitler doesn't mean your not bad, and the Thalmor are still killing people, which is universally a bad thing irrelevant of political or religious opinion. I rate them a 7 out of 10 - I don't like them and wish they'd chill out and let people do what they want, but it could be worse.


    This post was edited by Zonnonn at May 17, 2017 4:36 PM EDT
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    May 17, 2017 4:33 PM EDT

    Often I'll walk right up to the Thalmor and force them to attack me with this dialogue option:

     

    "Player(Remain silent)

    Justiciar"I don't like you... I think you're a heretic."

     

    because it demonstrates exactly why the Thalmor are so reprehensible. I also think I avoid bounties that way, but I'm not positive. And it's nice to avoid bounties when the prisoner they're escorting will straight up snitch -_-

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    May 17, 2017 4:35 PM EDT

    That depends if it is the 4E Thalmor or the 2E Thalmor as Patriarch said. If you want to delve deeper though you should see why the Thalmor control the Summerset Isles at the moment and where this type of behaviour on their part comes from. During the Oblivion Crisis the race that was devastated the most were the Altmer they literally lost their link and a huge amount of knowledge to their past and were having an identity crisis of some sort as a race (they had in the past as well). So one of the reasons the Thalmor act this way with the whole superiority thing going on comes from some other events not just because they 're scumbags.

    Also when looking into such matters like in real world history you should check it out from a third person perspective and see it from the eyes of both sides. If you check the history of Humans in the Elder Scrolls you will see that they have done much worse things than what we see the Thalmor are doing at the moment and if the game setting was at such a time you would say omg Nords (for example) are so bad I hate them :D !! In the end there is no bad and good side they are just two sides vying for power with disregard for the people's lives which is common. 

    To give my answer in this one I don't completely hate the Thalmor nor the Human rulers (I don't like Ulfric though or to be more precise his way of doing things) in the elder scrolls they are like the two sides of a coin, they are both two powers vying for domination simple as that. What I would like to see though is the Altmer trying to influense the Humans through their intellect and civilization and not through war.

    Also regardless of Thalmor and Human rulers just Elven society vs Human society I would chose the Elven way of life and society by far. The humans have the strong people rule them and the Elves have the intellectual ones (excluding the 4E Thalmor which I mentioned above briefly why they got to rule Summerset Isles) so guess who is more likely to rule in a better way and make the society and life better for the citizens but still nothing is absolute.

    Edit: I don't like the Thalmor as the rulers of Summerset Isles at all. What I like is the Altmer as a race though. Just wanted to point this out in case it wasn't apparent from what I wrote above.


    This post was edited by Duvain at May 17, 2017 4:43 PM EDT
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    May 17, 2017 5:40 PM EDT

    I don't know, in the end I have to say, are the Thalmor worse than anyone else? They are an extremist group (which is always extremely important point to hammer down) but then the Dunmer did enslave Khajiit and Argonians for generations, possibly centuries and treated them pretty terribly, and that was as far as I can tell either out of misguided revenge (which one could argue is the same reason for the modern day Thalmor) or just racism. 

    The Nords, well we can point out Ysgramor and Talos, and say that really they're big bad people who like murdering Elves but just look at some of the extremists mentioned in the Stormcloak Army and how they treat the Dunmer. That kind of just piles on with all the Ancient Elf-Murdering, and it just shows that the difference between the modern day Thalmor and Stormcloaks, well the only difference is that the Thalmor are far enough away from any leader that might potentially get all shitty about what they're doing, while the Stormcloaks are in their own city. It'd be interesting to see if say 'Folgard Dunmer-Killer' was sent of to Morrowind for whatever reason with a group of Stormcloaks, well I wonder what would happen there and whether we'd expect anything better than what the Thalmor are doing.

    Let's see, the Bretons are boring so I don't even know. The Redguards don't have enough history yet for me to make assumptions and the Imperials can just be lumped in with the Nords (except they did slightly more invading). 

     

     

    Are the Thalmor bad? By my real-life standards, totally evil guys, very bad. But by TES standards? Well then that could be a different story. I only mentioned things I can think of off the top of my head so I didn't name every evil, bad thing that someone did. So...Evil, but not as evil as I think they're portrayed. Yes they're supposed to be the bad guys, but they aren't the only bad guys. 

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    May 17, 2017 6:38 PM EDT

    Patriarch said:

    4E Thalmor or 2E Thalmor?

     

    When are the Thalmor not f*cking nazis? it doesn't matter what era.

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    May 17, 2017 6:40 PM EDT

    RogueSilver said:

    Thanks for the shout out, GuiltyOrc InnocentKhajiit! 

     

    That's okay, HeroPlatinum.

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    May 17, 2017 6:50 PM EDT

    I mean, the Thalmor hasn't done anything the Nords and Imperials haven't done.

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    May 17, 2017 7:59 PM EDT
    @InnocentKhajiit

    2E thalmor are NOTHING AT ALL like 4E thalmor.
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    May 17, 2017 8:03 PM EDT

    InnocentKhajiit said:

    Patriarch said:

    4E Thalmor or 2E Thalmor?

     

    When are the Thalmor not f*cking nazis? it doesn't matter what era.

    Nah, the Thalmor of the 4E of course do bad things but I think theirs are still lighter compared to the Humans especially the Nords, just check the history of Nords you can only see wars just for the sake to make war and gain more power even against their fellow humans.

    Imagine Ulfric and the other Nords conquering Summerset Isles with their bloodthirsty nature I believe not many Altmers would be left and they would degrade their way of life to a huge degree due to their nature as a race. I don't know I just never liked the 4E Nordic society they look so stupid and easy to manipulate, not all of them of course but most of them, with the whole civil war, Ulfric, empire hate etc. From a historian's viewpoint this is always a one way ticket to weaken themselves and benefit their enemy big time.

    Also regarding the whole thing with Talos... Imagine a guy that came into your country and unleashed his army along with a weapon of mass destruction killing everyone left and right becoming a god and praised later for what he did :D who would be fond of this deity on their side?


    This post was edited by Duvain at May 17, 2017 8:07 PM EDT
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    May 17, 2017 8:44 PM EDT

    It bothers me that I dislike the 4E Thalmor as much as I do. Bethesda makes them so oiled-mustache-twistingly antagonistic that I feel like I'm being manipulated when I go out of my way to ambush them out in the wilds. It's irrational, but there you are.

    I've even broken roleplay to do it... that, I think, says far more than any numerical value could. How did I become this person? xD

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    May 17, 2017 9:13 PM EDT

    InnocentKhajiit said:

    Patriarch said:

    4E Thalmor or 2E Thalmor?

     

    When are the Thalmor not f*cking nazis? it doesn't matter what era.

     

    OK, here's an example of what Patriarch is talking about in regards to 2E Thalmor. In ESO, you encounter the Veiled Heritance, a group that believes in Altmer superiority and that the rest of the races are inferior. They try to control other races' faiths (just look at the College of Aldmeri Propriety) and are perfectly willing to mass-murder people to further their agenda. Sound familiar?

     

    Here's the twist: These Heritance folk are one of the biggest enemies of the 2E Thalmor. To the point that they try repeatedly to kill Queen Ayrenn. If that doesn't examplify how they've changed over the years, I don't know what will

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    May 17, 2017 9:23 PM EDT

    Tenebrous said:

    InnocentKhajiit said:

    Patriarch said:

    4E Thalmor or 2E Thalmor?

     

    When are the Thalmor not f*cking nazis? it doesn't matter what era.

     

    OK, here's an example of what Patriarch is talking about in regards to 2E Thalmor. In ESO, you encounter the Veiled Heritance, a group that believes in Altmer superiority and that the rest of the races are inferior. They try to control other races' faiths (just look at the College of Aldmeri Propriety) and are perfectly willing to mass-murder people to further their agenda. Sound familiar?

     

    Here's the twist: These Heritance folk are one of the biggest enemies of the 2E Thalmor. To the point that they try repeatedly to kill Queen Ayrenn. If that doesn't examplify how they've changed over the years, I don't know what will

    ^^ This

     

    In fact, it is my belief that 4E Thalmor were infiltrated by a resurgent Veiled Heritance who conducted a coup of the Aldmeri Dominion. 


    This post was edited by Patriarch at May 17, 2017 9:24 PM EDT
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    May 18, 2017 1:11 AM EDT
    That's actually my headcanon too. I think 4E Thalmor were more radical than the VH, to the point of unmaking Nirn! You know, it's kinda ironic that Queen Ayreen's legacy would be her undoing.
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    May 18, 2017 4:23 AM EDT

    The Thalmor banning Talos worship is the equivalent of humans banning Hitler worship with the added fact that the worship of Hitler makes him stronger. 

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    May 18, 2017 5:32 AM EDT

    Right OK guys enough of the mention of Hitler this discussion is about how much you hate the Thalmor, not to make a comparison, yes call them nazi's if you must but give your reasons for hating them, Thanks guys

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    May 18, 2017 8:45 AM EDT

    KaiserSoSay said: That's actually my headcanon too. I think 4E Thalmor were more radical than the VH, to the point of unmaking Nirn! You know, it's kinda ironic that Queen Ayreen's legacy would be her undoing.

    I'm kind of hoping that TES6 will have a subplot where we have to rescue Queen Ayren (who could, theoretically, be still alive. The lore never tells us that she died) from exile/hiding and uncovering a Veiled Heritance/Maomer coup of the AD.

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    May 18, 2017 8:49 AM EDT
    Don't really think Ayrenn would still be alive, though. No one except Divath Fyr can live that long...
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    May 18, 2017 9:17 AM EDT

    Tenebrous said: Don't really think Ayrenn would still be alive, though. No one except Divath Fyr can live that long...

     

    Mistress Dratha probably has.

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    May 18, 2017 9:26 AM EDT

    Tenebrous said: Don't really think Ayrenn would still be alive, though. No one except Divath Fyr can live that long...

    Believe me, I know. Unless she used some kind of Telvanni life-extending magic, she more than likely wouldn't be alive. Either way, if TES6 is set in Valenwood, I'd still like to see a VH/Maomer/Sload sub-plot. It would be amazing to see a free Skyrim/Hammerfell/High Rock Alliance against the Thalmor.

     

    But, back to the topic: I despise 4E Thalmor.

     

    Side note: Telvanni for the win!